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Jeboro
11-05-2003, 06:17 PM
Ok, I've got the programming side of things more or less down.
But I don't know enough to make a decent webpage. My knowledge in this area goes no further than basic html.
So I'd like to ask you guys how you've done your pages.

Did you do your page yourself, or get someone else to do it for you?
Do you use a design tool or code pages by hand?
What did you use to create the page, html, php, javascript, flash, etc...?

And finally, can anybody recommend a good tutorial or two for me to look at? My goal here is to create a website for a beginning indie game company which I hope to create.

svero
11-05-2003, 07:38 PM
I code it by hand but I use the C++ pre-processor to use includes and macros. I also use PHP.

SyneRyder
11-05-2003, 07:52 PM
I code all my webpages by hand now. I started out in 1997 using Claris Home Page, but once I started examining the pages I was able to work out how to do things without Claris (and all the extra unnecessary code it added).

Nowadays I write XHTML 1.0 compliant code by hand in Textpad (http://www.textpad.com/) and rely on CSS where possible (I don't care about Netscape 4 anymore). I validate my code at the W3C HTML Validator (http://validator.w3.org/), and double check it in Mozilla and Opera. I avoid using IE except where necessary, I find that helps me to write good XHTML code.

I never touch Flash, but then I'm not a games developer, just an indie software developer. Maybe Flash is more important in the games industry. I use Server Side Includes (SSI) extensively as well as PHP. To test these I have Apache and PHP installed on my Windows machine at home. My live webserver runs Linux though (I'd prefer FreeBSD but, them's the breaks). I don't use Javascript much, I prefer not to trust the client browser too much, but if I have to I can code it by hand.

To start out learning this stuff, try looking through the various tutorials at Webmonkey (http://www.webmonkey.com/), there should be plenty there to keep you busy.

Anthony Flack
11-05-2003, 08:06 PM
Hand coded HTML for now. I'll be learning PHP soon I think. Flash websites I absolutely despise. Pointless, irritating bloat.

Dexterity
11-05-2003, 08:13 PM
This site is a combination of hand-coded HTML, PHP, and MySQL. Most pages on the site are assembled dynamically from various pieces via PHP. For an HTML editor -- HomeSite, which I've been using for about 5 years now.

Jeboro
11-05-2003, 08:42 PM
Thanks for the links. I am finding Webmonkey quite informative.

elund
11-05-2003, 09:37 PM
I designed the initial look and feel of my site in PaintShop Pro, and used the image slicer to create a basic HTML framework from it. I split up the HTML into sections that are dynamically generated using PHP, probably similar to how Steve P does it. Any HTML changes I make now are by hand, although I'll occasionally throw a complete page into Mozilla's editor if I'm at a loss for what's not working right. Gearhand uses CSS and overrides the standard HTML tag styles, which makes both easier to write and crawl HTML. I use W3 Schools (http://www.w3schools.com) for their CSS reference, but they've got lots of other good stuff there too. Several parts of Gearhand are put together from a MySQL database. Some pages have Javascript, specifically rollover image precaching and email address validation for the newsletter entry in the sidebar. I did all this work by my lonesome, and gosh darnit I'm a better man for it. :D

Siebharinn
11-06-2003, 02:44 AM
I've been using CityDesk (http://www.fogcreek.com/citydesk). You have to hand-code the templates in html, but once those are done, adding content is a lot like using Word.

Nick Bischoff
11-06-2003, 02:57 AM
Only the best :) Macromedia's products. I use Dreamweaver MX which is by far the best IDE for editing any and all web based code. I also use fireworks (MX) for layout and graphics.

As a user said, slicing up the the website and then taking it to dreamweavers wysiwyg editor and working in the php or whatever is required from there. I also use psp for low level image editing.

Mike Wiering
11-06-2003, 03:19 AM
For a long time I've used a homemade kind of preprocessor that generates HTML pages from a single text file and generates things like buttons and title images with text. But now I mainly use PHP if available.

SparkyTCFH
11-06-2003, 11:10 AM
Another oldskool (since 1995, where's my rocking chair?) web dev here -- now I use an old version of BBEdit. I hate Flash and don't use much beyond a simple Javascript mouseover. Back in the day, we had to walk five miles - barefoot, in the snow - to use WordPad and Mosaic on a 386sx! And we liked it!

Sparky
http://www.theycamefromhollywood.com

programmer_ted
11-06-2003, 06:11 PM
And here I was thinking Notepad was the best editor...actually I use ConTEXT (http://www.fixedsys.com/context/) for its syntax highlighting and Internet Explorer/Netscape/Mozilla/Opera for testing :D

I do use JavaScript extensively, though.

Lizardsoft
11-06-2003, 06:36 PM
PHP for all dynamic aspects and XHTML 1.0 for displaying the actual site. mySQL is used for all database stuff. I do everything in a text editor or content management system that was in turn written using a text editor :D

Kai-Peter
11-07-2003, 06:05 AM
Emacs SGML and PHP modes for editing. PHP and MySQL database to compose the final page online. I am considering TopStyle for CSS but haven't gotten that fancy yet. No JavaScript, Flash or anything like that. Have been using Emacs for 15 years now .. Talk about kitchen sink .. :)

Eagle EXE
11-09-2003, 06:33 AM
I hand-code in notepad. At work, they prefer that I use FrontPage, but I hate it. I try not to use Javascript unless I can't find another way to do it. The only way I'll use Flash is if someone else made it.

I'm starting to look into PHP and Perl. I can't do much right now though. :D

SpikeSpiegel
11-09-2003, 08:55 AM
I use portal frameworks, right now im using DotNetNuke which is a ASP.net website that runs off a database, theres also PHPnuke as well.

they are just basically frameworks with a whole bunch of modules that you can install where you see fit and add your own content. I see no point in re-inventing my website everytime I want to do something, like a login system or a download manager, I just install one of these, make my skin then start with the content.

before this I was using CityDesk like what Siebharinn's doing. Very easy to get content online.